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Bob Odenkirk loved how the world looked after his heart attack: “Beautiful and astounding.”

Bob Odenkirk says he was never supposed to be an action hero, but he’s grateful for the way his career has turned out. Starting out as a sketch comedian, he never could have foreseen roles like Saul Goodman in “Better Call Saul” or Sheriff Ulysses in his newest film, “Normal.” He tells Rachel he takes none of it for granted, as he retraces his path from his humble Illinois roots. To listen sponsor-free and support the show, sign up for Wild Card+ at plus.npr.org/wildcard