Anthropic's CEO: ‘We Don’t Know if the Models Are Conscious’ | Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

A.I. is evolving fast, and humanity is falling behind. Dario Amodei, the chief executive of Anthropic, has warned about the potential benefits — and real dangers — linked to the speed of that progress. As one of the lords of this technology, is he on the side of the human race? 01:37 - The promise and optimism of A.I. 13:29 - White collar "bloodbaths" 25:33 - Robotics and physical labor 30:58 - The first “dangerous” scenario 44:34 - What if it goes rogue? 48:53 - Claude’s constitution Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Read the full transcript here: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/12/opinion/artificial-intelligence-anthropic-amodei.html Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.